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Topic: Hiding behind an alias

The general aim of the M6 school was a valuable one. Creating a framework for the fostering of intelligent discussion, an open and equal sharing and exchange of ideas and scholarship within an environment of respect and tolerance of difference is indeed much needed.
However and regrettably, judging from the quality of many of the posts in all 3 M6 forums, both official and unofficial, I am sure that many people both in Cyprus and internationally are beginning to have serious doubts on whether the Manifesta school would have succeeded in achieving their altius goal beyond the academic essays documenting a torrent of utopian intentions.

One of my main reasons for stating this is that it appears that a few individuals directly involved either as teachers or students of the now cancelled school are posting under the cover of a string of alias names, including both greek and turkish names. It is absolutely their freedom of choice and right to privacy to assume an alias name. However, to do this in order to discredit, trespass upon and violate the rights of others is unacceptable especially from the very people who were going to be the responsible ones for the implementation of the altruistic aims of the M6 school.

These individuals set themselves up in a mock dialogue with its aim to promote a distinct bias which is nothing short of a bombastic, divisive monothematic agenda drenched with the Bushism of "if you are not with us, you're against us". Shame on you. You are the ones who so vigilantly demand the freedom of expression and the right not to be censored. How can you criticise others for lack of courage, honest and transparent dialogue when you, yourselves are not prepared to engage in one?

Allow me to remind you, that whilst you feel that the Greek Cypriots are easy prey for your vicious attacks from the comfort of your homes in New York, Texas, Amsterdam, Germany or elsewhere, we are the ones who must live here and negotiate our lives on a daily basis. We are the ones who are struggling to change the system from within. Many of us disagree with the actions of the NFA and the impending legal action against the 3 curators but we also appreciate that the conditions of cultural workers in Cyprus requires an enormous and very substantial improvement. Convincing our government authorities of the importance of contemporary art and that it is not irrelevant nonsense will certainly not happen with the quality of some of the comments on these forums.

My foreign friends, the impact of your sarcasm, personal attacks and racist comments is actually assisting our cultural 'administrators' in their attempts to further isolate contemporary artists in this very small community. In addition, your adoption of the theatrical and stereotypical "wealthy, ignorant greek" and "poor, full of humility turk" personas is not only insulting but it serves to further entrench the divisive discourse happening on these forums. In addition, it is frightening many genuine people from participating in what could be a very constructive and open forum dialogue.

Your collusion and flagrant disrespect for the privacy and opinion of others is equally censorship.  Do you expect us to ignore our rights and focus exclusively on the freedom of the curators and the concept of censorship as only that which is "forbidden by law"?
If art and dialogue in all its diversity are capable of transforming and educating communities, then why don't we give it a chance to do so on these forums?

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Dear Helen,
reading your rather unbalanced message I found at least one sentence that needs a little more explanation, especially the 'but', because in the 'comfort of my home in Germany' I am not not sure whether I understand it in the right way: 'Many of us disagree with the actions of the NFA and the impending legal action against the 3 curators but [? A.S.] we also appreciate that the conditions of cultural workers in Cyprus requires an enormous and very substantial improvement.' Is there an alternative to choose, is it difficult to disagrre with the actions of the NFA (and perhaps protest against them in Cyprus, where they take place) AND to 'appreciate' at the same time 'that the conditions of cultural workers in Cyprus requires an enormous and very substantial improvement'?
Withour alias and, as Derrida used to say, 'without alibi' and in the discomfort of writing in a language that's not mine
Alfred

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There you go again: "foreigners sitting in their comfortable homes attacking poor Greek Cupriots"
Conspiracy against the Republic of Cyprus and its people! Them against us! How very consistent and predictable.

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Bravo Helene! The best defence is offence: if the colonialist bit did not stick, try Bushism, if that does not work, then the good old racism will do the trick.

By the way, how come you claim to know where people are writing from: New York, Texas, Amsterdam, Germany? Are you somehow tracing IPs of the contributors to this forum? That's very cunning: normally that's the kind of stuff that police and spies do, not benevolent members of cultural communities.

This is very FBI, they do stuff like that all the time now: set up a site claiming to be a forum for discussion on militant islam for example, then monitor people who are naively thinking that they are free to express themselves, track them down, arrest them and accuse them of a fake terrorist conspiracy.

I am afraid I must alert the readers of this forum immediately - this is really disguasting Helene.

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Dear Helen, I am one of the participants in manifesta 6 who is posting under an alias (from NY) -do you think I am crazy to use my real name, given the kind of personal attacks that I see taking place around this project? It is really frigthening however to realize that someone is bothering to track down the locations from where the postings are coming from... and it only makes me think that to use an alias was the right choice to begin with (and it has made me decide that I will never again participate in this forum, since it makes me feel as if bugged by the interpol) . While I have nothing personal against greek cypriots, I can't understand why the people trying to discuss the cancellation of manifesta in this forum keep going on an ond about the turkish invasion and the fact that foreigners are writing here... guess what helen, I, a foreigner, was invited ti take part on Manifesta 6.... this gives me all the right to talk about it.... where you invited as a participant to any of the departments? If yes, I would love to discuss with you how this affects you... in any case, if anybody is willing to sustain a PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION with me and/or any other of the participants I correspond with, you are most welcome to write to me at:
simdunne@gmail.com

(please refrain from writing if what you have to say is anything regarding my potential colonialist aims, as I have no patience for this kind of absurdity anymore)

And so i leave you now to your "balanced discussion" -- balanced as long as it doesn't involve foreigners and / or turkish cypriots, right?--

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Dear all,
How quickly you respond when you feel that your rights have been violated. My post does not violate your rights. It simply states what to me, appeared a negative and subversive game being played.  The times of the postings are visible to every one. My deductions were made from this information as well as the language used incorporatng consistent spelling mistakes in various posts under different alias names.

Why don't you extend this consideration you so valiantly defend to all the individuals you have maligned, outed and insulted. The 'demand for accountability' stated clearly on this forum applies to everyone and it is supreme cowardice on your part to consider yourselves privy to a right to abuse those who post under their real names.

The fact that a few of you insist that i am anti Turkish-Cypriot or anti foreigner is simply not true. I am a Cypriot. I never describe myself as a Greek Cypriot unless I am directly asked. Your reactions and comments only serve to indicate your own political agenda in propagating a divisive discourse.

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helene wrote:

Dear all,
How quickly you respond when you feel that your rights have been violated. My post does not violate your rights. It simply states what to me, appeared a negative and subversive game being played.  The times of the postings are visible to every one. My deductions were made from this information as well as the language used incorporatng consistent spelling mistakes in various posts under different alias names.

--Dear Helen, do you mean to say that it is impossible that 2 people are reading the posts at the same time? As for myself, I have been writing on this forum because I feel that my rights as an artist have been violated.... and chose to write anonimously given the amount of slande rthat goes on. I would like for you to tell me personally  --since I am one of the quick replies-- who have I maligned, outed and insulted..... or why is my desire to find a positive outcome to this nightmare seen as colonialist, bushist, racist, or divisive --maybe we have an entirely different dictionary? I guess that given the kind of adjectives that are flying around, it is best to start by agreeing on the definitions of the terms?

In any case, I will follow advice, and will now transfer all my postings to the original manifesta forum.

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I do not have access to any one's IP. The administrator of the NeMe forum supports and strictly adheres to the international code for privacy. I, as one of the founding members, would not and can not jeopardise the autonomy of the administrator. However, your assumption that I was privy to this information and your equivalent moral outrage serves, in my opinion, to acknowledge the validity of my suspicions that there exists on all M6 forums a sub-text which goes far beyond the concern for intelligent discussion of culture and artistic freedom.

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It is interesting how they shout ENTRAPMENT. It is as if they had a plan which was uncovered. I always suspected some of the Manifesta participants and their input in the forums but this goes beyond any conspiracy theory I could think of. I have not seen a new post here for some time and this to me shows how fake the Manifesta participants were. So what if their IP is logged? To point that IP to a particular person needs international court orders etc. I was very skeptical before I posted my first comment in the M6 forums but since I started the dance I will be here (and there) to the end.

Cowardice is not voicing your views.

The M6 participants showed supreme cowardice and if this was a war situation they would be executed without a court martial. This is not an art event anymore. This is about free speech and freedom of expression (as they say). But they are the first ones to withdraw once they feel that their mask will drop and uncover their lying faces.

What kind of a person assumes a fake name to fight for a course they feel worthy?

Over to you chicken.